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Truth Squad
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 Posted - 09/27/2005 : 9:35:39 PM
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Bullocks - I would like to remind you that following the attempt on Elias Murr's life on July 12, 2005, Druze leader Walid Jumblatt claimed that the attack was aimed at silencing a man who could potentially give incriminating evidence to international investigators still probing the Hariri murder. "There is a plot to eliminate all the witnesses or everyone able to give information on the assassination of Rafiq Hariri," Jumblatt told private satellite channel LBCI.
Soon after, Elias Murr - from his hospital bed - accused Islamic fundamentalists of engineering the attack on his convoy and rushed to deny that he possessed any information that would help the investigations in Hariri's assassination saying then "if I had any such information, I would have disclosed it to the authorities in charge."
Obviously what he said on LBCI last night may be construed as incriminating to Rustum Ghazaleh and can certainly be used by any court of law to execute an arrest.
The question becomes now:
Is Elias El-Murr telling a lie now or was he lying then on his hospital bed? Any prosecutor would love to chew him apart with such a record of flip flops.
I am not trying to defend Syria or Rustum Ghazaleh in any way, shape or form. I am simply trying to reach the truth.
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Lebanese Abroad
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Posted - 10/19/2005 : 11:52:31 PM
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I hate to tell you that but I agree totally with the premise of this forum. If Syria is implicated in the report, its allies in Lebanon will try to fight the accusation and that means hizballah, amal, palestinians, and all other pro-syrian powers, in addition perhaps to the PSP of jumblat.
If not implicated then the syrians and their allies in Lebanon will coming back stronger than ever and that could lead to confrontation with the current regime in Lebanon. Either way, if hizballah is not contained politically and if need be militarily, the hizb could become the spearhead in the new war. |
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PaxLibano
France
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 5:12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Lebanese Abroad
I hate to tell you that but I agree totally with the premise of this forum. If Syria is implicated in the report, its allies in Lebanon will try to fight the accusation and that means hizballah, amal, palestinians, and all other pro-syrian powers, in addition perhaps to the PSP of jumblat.
If not implicated then the syrians and their allies in Lebanon will coming back stronger than ever and that could lead to confrontation with the current regime in Lebanon. Either way, if hizballah is not contained politically and if need be militarily, the hizb could become the spearhead in the new war.
Hezbollah and Amal have already jumped to the defense of their master. Instead of meeting to demand that Syria releases the Lebanese detained and tortured in its prisons, they rushed to warn against attacking the brutal dictator of Damascus. What is the difference between Assad, Berri and Nasrallah? Assad gives the order and they execute. Shame on them, they are dragging the good name of the largest sect in Lebanon in the mud. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. Be Lebanese or be replaced. Time for the traitors to go and for the Shiites to choose a new leadership. |
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Israel
Israel
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Posted - 10/26/2005 : 2:38:21 PM
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I think you will see more of these two particularly that Ahmadi Najad of Iran has announced today his intention to eradicate Israel. Who is better at carrying Iran's order than Hezbollah.
My fear is that Hezbollah will resort to war with Israel to put pressure on the west in the Hariri investigation to leave Syria alone and divert attention from Syria's role in the bomb.
Watch out for escalations by the Islamic resistance either in Israel or on the borders with Lebanon. |
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fraizzze
Canada
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Posted - 10/26/2005 : 10:45:22 PM
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Anyway, after the report emitted by Koffi Annan today, Shebaa is officially Syrian... This is very weird, i must admit... I think they said it to take away all credibility in Hezbollah... So we must pay attention here : shebaa is not officially 100%, but UN so declares it for political reasons i guess... I do not support such decisions, but, if their goal is achieved and Hizbollah becomes a normal party like any other...negociations about shebaa will regain front page, and we never know... but untill then take a look (for those who read french), about the real menace about social security in lebanon : the palestinians extremists :
(article taken from L'Orient Le Jour, October 26th)
Bref affrontement entre la marine libanaise et des pêcheurs palestiniens au large de Tripoli
Un affrontement entre une patrouille de la marine libanaise et trois pêcheurs palestiniens, au large de Tripoli, hier, a fait un blessé parmi les réfugiés palestiniens.
Dans les faits, vers 7h45, trois réfugiés palestiniens, qui pêchaient à la dynamite, près du camp de Nahr el-Bared, ont été interceptés par une patrouille de la marine libanaise. Mais quand les soldats se sont approchés d’eux pour les empêcher de recourir à ce genre de pêche, interdite par loi, les pêcheurs palestiniens ont lancé leurs bâtons de dynamite vers la patrouille. Les soldats ont riposté en ouvrant le feu vers la barque de pêcheurs, blessant grièvement Youssef Masri, qui a été transporté à un hôpital de Halba (Akkar). Les deux autres pêcheurs palestiniens, Élias Masri et Tayssir Khalil, ont été arrêtés. |
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Gisèle
Lebanon
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Posted - 10/26/2005 : 11:28:33 PM
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Originally posted by fraizzze
Anyway, after the report emitted by Koffi Annan today, Shebaa is officially Syrian... This is very weird, i must admit... I think they said it to take away all credibility in Hezbollah... So we must pay attention here : shebaa is not officially 100%, but UN so declares it for political reasons i guess... I do not support such decisions, but, if their goal is achieved and Hizbollah becomes a normal party like any other...negociations about shebaa will regain front page, and we never know... but untill then take a look (for those who read french), about the real menace about social security in lebanon : the palestinians extremists
Fraizzze, if the point you are trying to make is that Palestinian extremism is a threat, I totally agree with you. I personally do not understand why do some insist on having arms outside the Lebanese army (by those I mean the militia of Hizballah and the palestinians). The Palestinians may be fearful because they do not trust us as Lebanese to protect them and we have to give them assurances (understandable). But why doesn't Hizballah trust the Lebanese? do they want to be partners in this country or just parasites waiting for the right moment, when international attention is shifted to put their radical sectarian plan to action? |
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Truth Squad
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 1:32:35 PM
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| It is necessary to know now where does Hezbollah stand vis-a-vis the latest speech of Ahmadinejad. Is Hezbollah Lebanese (100%) therefore it should disclaim any relation with Ahmadinejad or is it part of the Iranian plan to wipe Israel off the map and in that case the Lebanese must stop it before it takes their country to war? |
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fraizzze
Canada
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 8:15:59 PM
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| Yes. Iran's President's speech is disturbing. I strongly hope that Hezbollah doesn't follow such violence speech... And i hope the UN will put Iran to its place, because this iranian government is really a threat to piece in the middle east ! |
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Truth Squad
114 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2005 : 11:46:28 PM
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"Lebanon regards Hizbullah as a legitimate resistance group opposing Israeli occupation of Arab lands and not a militia." This is what the Seniora Cabinet in Lebanon said today after its meeting.
ARAB LANDS ?!
Are they serious?
This is in line with Ahmedinejad's threat to wipe Israel off the map.
If you believe that Israel as a state is built on Arab Lands, then Hezbollah's mission becomes to liberate the Arab Lands of Israel.
What a shame!!!
What a cancer we're nurturing in Lebanon!!!
The Lebanese people are forced today to embrace the "Islamic Resistance" as they were forced to embrace the Palestinian Resistance in 1969 and 1975, only to be driven into a civil war to which the so-called resistance was a major party.
What do we have the Lebanese Aarmy for?
Let's dismantle the Lebanese Army and distribute its arms to the different sects and have mini-militias here and there that we call resistance movements?
Aren't the Sunni worthy of, eligible and entitled for a resistance movement? Maybe they consider Hezbollah's theirs.
Aren't the Druze worthy of, eligible and entitled for a resistance movement? Maybe they consider Hezbollah's theirs.
Aren't the Christians worthy of, eligible and entitled for a resistance movement? Yes they are and they certainly don't consider Hezbollah their resistance movement. So let's give the Lebanese Army's arms to the Christians (Aoun or Geagea) and let them build their own militia/Resistance movement.
Don't blame the Christians if they refuse to march under the banner of the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon.
Don't even blame them if they decide one day to launch a preemptive strike against what they perceive as an ideological threat.
That's how we go to civil war. |
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CIA Report
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 08:51:19 AM
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BEIRUT - REUTERS (10/28/05)
Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group said on Friday it would stand by Syria, blasting the United Nations for what it said was political incitement against Damascus over the killing of a Lebanese ex-premier.
"We say clearly that we stand by Syria, leadership and people, in the face of its targeting by the Americans and Zoinists and attempts to punish it politically for standing by Lebanon and its resistance," Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah told a big rally in Beirut's southern suburb.
A U.N. inquiry led by German prosecutor Detlev Mehlis named senior Syrian officials as suspects in the assassination in February of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri.
The report prompted the United States and France to put forward a draft resolution at the U.N. Security Council demanding Syria cooperate fully with the inquiry and threatening economic sanctions.
"What we are witnessing today is the using of the Mehlis report to punish Syria for a crime that it has not been convicted of as a punishment for its political and strategic options," Nasrallah said.
Nasrallah echoed in his speech the tone and sentiments of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
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fraizzze
Canada
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 09:50:40 AM
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| The good thing in all this is that the lebanese army is now surrounding several palestinian camps near syria's border, and this is a strong message : we lebanese may support palestinian forces in lebanon, but they must stay in their camps, and with very limited weapons ! And Hezbollah is really getting of the track by giving his full support to Syria. This, my friends, believe me, will make them loose ALL credebility in the whole world, and especially in the lebanese societe. I have mani lebanese shia friends, here, in montreal, and belive me, their vision of lebanon, free and democratic, is the same as any other group in Lebanon. Sheikh Nasralla's opinion doesn'T represent all lebanese shias, and this will make him very very weak... Let us hope the Lebanese government takes intelligent and malicious steps to make Hezbollah give back its weapons and stop defending, as you say, ARAB LANDS, but LEBANESE DEMOCRACY !!!!!!!!! Thank you (what did the arab countries give to lebanon anyway lol) |
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Lebanese Jew
USA
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 7:00:19 PM
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Hi everyone,
I was away for a while but now I am back.
I see the discussion on this topic has grown by leaps and bounds!
Actually I am very disturbed by the attitude of the Lebanese government towards Hezbollah and its alliance with Iran and Syria and other regional causes.
As a Lebanese Jew, I frankly do not care what Iran and Israel do. But my fear is that Hezbollah will be used as a spearhead in the war between Iran and Israel. This means Lebanon will pay the price.
The rally that Hezbollah organized in Beirut today was very disturbing and I never imagined that Lebanon could become like that.
A personal note to my friends in this forum: I have finally obtained my Lebanese passport. I hope things will calm down a bit in the region so that I can take my first trip.
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Talal
Syria
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 8:40:22 PM
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not hizballah but zionists like you and agents of zionists who will take Lebanon to civil war.
you need Syria to bring you peace. you tell us when and we come back. |
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fraizzze
Canada
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 9:25:42 PM
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Habibi Talal.
Let me just tell you one thing : mountains cut in half in Mount-Lebanon, money being stolen daily from the Casino du Liban, young students being thrown into syrian jails for protesting Syrian presence, Lahoud being reconducted for a thrid time... believe me all these things have NOT been made bu , as you call them, Zionists. They have been made by the Syrian government, and if you wanna protest, i can send you the pictures of these mountains cut in half to by the rocks cheaper in Syria, i can show you interviews with the director of the Casino du Liban being threatened many times by syrians to give them his financial benifits, and i can show you these mothers who's childrens are still in these dark Syrian prisons. I dont want war on Syria, the syrian people do not deserve war, they deserve democracy. What we, lebanese want, is that Syria stops manipulating our country ! And that Hezbollah stops defending Syria blindly and stupidely, without caring about Lebanon and its values ! So, Talal, my syrian friend, stop throwing everything you dont like on Israel, and see with your eyes, not with your opinions : yes, israel harmed palestinians, but the big damage in lebanon have been caused by radicalism and syrian occupation (i am talking after the civil war). So stop saying syria defended the lebanese in the war, it is not true. They even disguised themselves as palestinians soldiers to invade Damour (here again, if you dont believe me, i can show you archives). So please, use your energy for building a free, new, democratic Syria instead of wasting it insulting jewish people. Thank you. |
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fraizzze
Canada
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Posted - 11/24/2005 : 09:16:35 AM
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Tension in the south and bombs largued by Israel are simply the result of Hezbollas arrogance and blindness. Hezbollah is paying a heavy price by the death of 4 of its men, and if it doesnt stop its terrorist attacks against Israel, and if it doesnt disarm to become a party like all others in Lebanon, Lebanese people as a majority will never accept this terrorist organisation, and Nasralla should know that Lebanese are letting him in Lebanon only because he is armed and he can damage our country. He lies when he says he cares about Lebanon. He doesnt give a ****. He wants to obey to his Syrain and Iranian masters who are giving him money and power. Nasrallah and his ideologicall followers have nothing to do in our free lebanese democratic society. They must follow the rules and norms, or leave the country.
Israel would not attack our borders if it wasnt for Hezbollah.
Israel wouldnt violate our airspace if Hezbollah wasnt there threatening Israeli civilians.
Stop thinking that Israel is the absolute ennemy and that Hezbollah is the saviour. See clear. Hezbollah is only there to put Irans words into action. Thats it.
So who is the real ennemy of Lebanon??? |
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